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For Such a Time as This

Journal Entry: Sat Mar 22, 2008, 2:09 PM
I have been tracking a situation that came up with Brohawk and I would like to record one of my posts on the subject. Specifics on the situation may be reviewed on Brohawks page.

Here is the post:

I am amazed at how Dave has become the criminal in all of this. I'm not siding with Dave. I'm supporting truth.

Every artist has, at one point or another in his development, "copied" or referenced someone else's work. I'm a graphic designer/illustrator of 13 years and am now employed as an Art Director for one of the biggest art departments in the country and I still reference teachers like Michael Golden, Alan Davis, Jack Kirby, John Buscema, Walt Simonson and some new guys like Bruce Timm and, yes, even David Williams. I study their work and try to determine their process so that knowledge would improve my artistic voice. Its the same as in certain fine art schools where they try to "swipe" the masters to understand what they were thinking and utilizing that in their own work.

This is not what Skywarp was doing and he needs to know that. The guy literally took the art, manipulated it in photoshop and then called it his own. Thats called theft. (I sware I'm going to have to do a series of before and afters)

This is the kind of thing that will drive pro's like Dave away from sharing his work on sites like this.

There has never been a time like now, with the advent of the internet, where there has been so much free exchange of artistic expression and access to so much professional insight. When I was a kid I would have killed to send a message to John Buscema or Frank Frazetta and get an advice or critique from them. Dave has opened himself wide with step by steps and insight into his creative process. This is precious and it is our responsibility to protect it or we will lose it. Instead we assault these guys and I really think we're missing the point.

We are a community and we have to police ourselves and each other. All Dave did is hold Skywarp accountable. It's called integrity.

What all this has done is expose how many on deviant find this sort of behavior acceptable or minor and that is chilling to me. I know there are thieves out there but when you call yourself a "friend" on deviant, it should mean community and trust.

There are lots of folk out there with alot to offer there. I hope this sort of thing doesn't scare them away.

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*cybernetichero:iconcybernetichero: Mar 22, 2008, 7:10:45 PM
And I would like to point out that I was in no way trying to criminalise brohawk but I was pointing out that I didn't see that he had made his case and that by going about things the way he did he was violating the FAQ. His response was to be aggressive and childish.
If it is your intention to set a similar hue and cry after me you can save it.
Funny thing about integrity. People can be on opposite sides of an arguement and still be displaying integrity.

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~elliotfernandez:iconelliotfernandez: Mar 22, 2008, 8:50:10 PM
"And I would like to point out that I was in no way trying to criminalise brohawk but I was pointing out that I didn't see that he had made his case and that by going about things the way he did he was violating the FAQ. His response was to be aggressive and childish."
-See my response on Brohawks thread.

"If it is your intention to set a similar hue and cry after me you can save it."
-Who's being childish now? I thought we were all adults sharing ideas freely.

Hmm, maybe not.

Chill out man. This aint personal. Peace.
*cybernetichero:iconcybernetichero: Mar 22, 2008, 9:00:10 PM
Hey, you chose to devote a journal to attacking me, I have yet to attack anybody in this stupid affair.

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~elliotfernandez:iconelliotfernandez: Mar 22, 2008, 9:20:41 PM
I never mentioned you by name. You're the one who came across the fence to visit. BTW, is that tension I read in your voice?

(Psssst... you're making a scene...)

Nothing to see here folks! Just two colleagues having a friendly conversation.;)
~Bowsky:iconBowsky: Mar 23, 2008, 7:48:26 AM
Right on. Great post. Art thieves will learn someday. If not in a place like this, in the professional world.

If they pull shit like this at the school I'm at, it's grounds for expulsion. If they do it in a professional setting where thousands to millions of people view their work, it's career ending.

Referencing is something every serious artist does. Lets face it, no one knows how to draw every single item in the world.

Studying other artists, breaking down their process and learning from it is something every serious artist does. It's a major part of the learning process, and it's helped me, personally improve leaps and bounds over just trying to figure things out for myself.

Cutting, pasting and manipulating things in photshop, and calling it your own is bullshit. It's like making your own hood ornament, placing it on a BMW and saying you made your own car.

Not only is it directly against what art is all about, they aren't learning anything.

These people should be banned, instantly and without hesitation. These people should be confronted by other artists. They are cancers in a community like this and should be removed. case closed
~coloneljimbo3rd:iconcoloneljimbo3rd: Mar 23, 2008, 11:32:39 AM Mood: Movingon
i posted on brohawks page, but i'll expound on it here- in the 70s, 80s, and 90s there was a penciller by the name of rich buckler- all he did is swipe (lightbox others work) with his pencils- mostly neal adams, but also kirby,gil kane, and a few others- if you looked at any story he pencilled, you could go panel by panel and name the source of the swipe if you were a comic geek like me- hell, i even inked a few stories pencilled by him, and went so far as to find the source of the swipe and mimic the inking style of the source material-
my point- i went to the page of the said offender in said debacle and saw that he clearly swiped several artists( tho some of his choices were rather dubious)-
the main thing i'm in agreement with is that he should give credit where credit is due- when i started downloading pencil scans from the web, i made sure to credit every penciller when i posted my inks- and though i have been given permission by several owners to sell prints or the originals of these pieces, i just can't bring myself to do it- they simply AREN'T MINE to do so-
and stealing someones designs and simply changing the gender-please!-try putting the black panther costume on a female figure, and publishing it as your own creation- see if marvels legal department doesn't leave you with a colostomy bag when they're finished with you
credit where credit is due- thou shalt not steal-simple, right?

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*spiderguile:iconspiderguile: Mar 24, 2008, 3:15:19 AM Mood: Joy
You could do stand-ups, dude! lol
I totally agree with you! ;)

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*spiderguile:iconspiderguile: Mar 24, 2008, 3:16:03 AM
It's sure that now, we will police ourselves

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~coloneljimbo3rd:iconcoloneljimbo3rd: Mar 24, 2008, 7:10:40 AM
:D

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